I did not author these “reasons” and to say that I wouldn’t agree with them would be an understatement. Several of them are just so far out in left field… especially when the writer stated the goal of the blog was to: “To bring people to a closer relationship to Jesus Christ. To express and encourage others who may be struggling with a particular struggle and to offer a biblical lifestyle alternative to their struggle.”
As an aside, it always strikes me as funny when someone labels same-sex relationships a “lifestyle”… or my life as a “lifestyle.” Lifestyle can be defined as “a persons pattern of living as expressed by their interests, motivations, activities, desired experiences, and beliefs.” I know the reason they label it a lifestyle is so that they can assert their belief that one can simply “choose” not to live a certain lifestyle. Here is a perfect encapsulated expression of the constant “life style” labeling: “Life Style”–from Sweetie’s Blog.
Here they are, “Top 10 Reasons to Leave the Lesbian Life Style” as found at this link.
*(Comments in red are mine.)
10. In order to get rid of your Reprobate mind. (Reprobate? “not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected”… who decides what rejects a person and their mind in this manner? Aren’t there a whole list of things that “straight” humans can engage in to be “reprobate”?)
9. No more fighting with your abusive lover. (I do not know any same-sex couples who struggle with this. Conversely, I know countless opposite sex couples that this would be descriptive of.)
8. No more feeling like everyone is watching you and staring at you. (Because they are.) (Well now, there are many people who are just that self-conscious… and I highly doubt it has to do anything with their sexual orientation!)
7. No more worring [sic] if you look gay. (Because you did.) (A show of hands please, anyone who is gay or lesbian out there… is this really a worry for you? And if you did “graduate” from “exodus intl.” would that change how you look?)
6. No more trying to please God and your lover. (You can now just please God.) (My mom is a heterosexual… and she could NEVER please God and her lover! When she came home from church, my father regularly accused her of loving God more than him. This is not a sexual orientation issue, it is a poor quality spouse issue!)
5. No more feeling like your [sic] never good enough. (Becuase [sic] you were not.) (Many people who reveal that they don’t feel like they are “good enough” do not cite sexual orientation as their reasoning.)
4. No more feeling jealous everytime [sic] your lover didn’t phone or call. (Yeh, OK… this one also is no respecter of persons! If this exists in a relationship, it is unfortunate, but it is another of these reasons that is not inherent to same-sex relationships!)
3. No more feeling like you can’t live with out that person. (Because you can.) (Pardon me? See any of my above comments as to why this also is not inherent to same-sex relationships.)
2. No more feeling guilty about going to church. (Because now you can go and be guilt free.) …
1. Heaven it’s a wonderful place. (Now you can feel good about going there.) (For anyone out there who is gay and Christian… do you have a thought on these last two? Sounds like “works salvation” to me.)
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That cartoon is too funny!
Why don’t they just say what they really think?
They think that everybody should live like them.
Well, I think they need to live and let live.
I too like the cartoon.
HUGS!!
those are outlandish, how about leaving the radical christian lifestyle? lol
http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com
dit: I just love the cartoons from that site! It was quite a find!
Laurie: That pretty much sums it up!! It’s like they didn’t even take time to think about what they were asserting. It just struck me how none of those were really attributable to same-sex relationships. {HUGS}
queerunity: YES! Excellent word! And I like your question!
Those are the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. I’ve heard some pretty dumb things.
C
Thank you C!!! That is exactly what _I_ thought also!!
Hi Bridgeout: Since you posted my 10 reasons to leave the Lesbian Life Style I thought I would respond to your response.
Let me first say I was in the Lesbian Lifestyle and struggled with it most of my adult life. I was a Christian and I went to some Gay Churches with my Lover at the time but I didn’t see or feel the presence of God in my life when I was struggling. As Of 2000 I have been free from the Lesbian Life style for 8 years. So I know from whence I write.
Regarding your #10 question: It is God that decides who has a reprobate mind and who does not. I am going with what the Bible states in Romans 1:28. That God gave them over to a reprobate mind.
You are exactly right straight people can have a reprobate mind as well and are just as set on following their own way that is apart from God’s way.
#9 I think to say you have not know any same sex couple that struggle or fight with each other is far from the truth. You are correct heterosexual couples fight as well.
#8 Again let’s look at this if you are a woman dressing like a man don’t you think people are staring wondering which you are? Are you a woman or a man? Which is it?
#7 I would say yes if you graduating from Exodus international it would change over time how you looked. You heart would be different you would be renewing your mind everyday by reading the word of God. This alone would change how you look or it did for me. I have gotten more in touch with my woman self. Not everyone does but I did and remember I am writing from my perspective.
#6 It is a sexual orientation issue if you are trying to live for God and yet have a same sex attraction lover living for you. For me again I was trying to live in the Christian world and the Gay World. It did not work. I loved God but I also loved my lover and tried to please her but I never could. When I gave up the Lesbian lifestyle I only had to consider how to please God. If you believe the Bible and what it says you will want to leave the life style you will want to live for God. You will also want to leave any type of heterosexual life that is not ordained of God.
5. Not feeling good enough is a very common feeling among those who struggle with homosexuality as well as heterosexual that is why we need God.
4. Again this is a website for coming out of the life style and I have spoken with many women who either experience this jealousy or spoke about their lover having this jealousy. My ministry is for those who want to be free and my focus is toward that. Yes there can also be jealousy in opposite sex relations.
3. It seems that what I and other women have experienced is totally out in left field for you. But possibly you do not see it or want to believe it. Just ask God to show you and he will.
2. Heaven is a wonderful place and I want you Bridgeout and your readers to all go there.
It’s not hard to go there. It is a matter of surrender your will and your desire for God’s will and his desires. True happiness comes when we are obedient to the Word of God and to God. In John 3:16 which if you mom is a Christian I am sure you know this verse- – For God so loved the World he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have ever lasting life.
If you want peace and want an abundant life. If you want to be blessed you and your lover then surrender to Jesus. His blessings come as you lay down your desires and seek his desires. When God says it you can know it is ture.
Hi,
The reason she is calling it a “lifestyle” is to distinguish between a sexual orientation and the behavior that one chooses. Sexual orientation is not chosen. Sexual behavior is always chosen, whether it is with a same sex partner, with an opposite sex partner, or with yourself.
doveflight: as I said back at your post, although I still may not agree with your reasoning, I appreciate your time in elaborating on these points you wrote.
BTW… I _am_ going to heaven! I have chosen Jesus as my personal savior… and nothing can change that (more importantly, He chose me!).
Gal 220: Is that Galatians 2:20? I know that one!
Thank you for your brief thought and distinction.
Hi.
First, how did you find the “10 reasons”? (I know Doveflight) Yes, my username is Galatians 2:20. I am happy to hear you are a Christian! So am I. I am “ex-gay”. I left the ‘lifestyle” 17 years ago. If you are a Christian, and you are in the “lifestyle”, ( using the distinction I made above ) you are in sin. If you do not believe that, then you are deceived. But, you are correct, either way I will see you in heaven…: )
Hey, I did not take time to read all of the 10 reasons reply from you until just now and want to make a few comments.
First, Doveflight had no intention of listing those “10 reasons” as anything more than just a lark. If she intended to debate “10 reasons” the list would have been different and used biblical references. Secondly, I agree with all of your comments in red except what you wrote to #7. I would answer “yes” over the last 17 years I have developed a much more feminine look. I never really looked gay in the first place but God has helped me reclaim my femininity. But, you are right – the “10 reasons” are not specific to gay people ..oh, and also, I do not believe you have never known of same-sex couples who argue.
Hey Gal 220, thanks for stopping back in! Thanks for your various thoughts. BTW, I didn’t say that I never knew of a same-sex couple arguing… I said in response to “No more fighting with your abusive lover” that I do not know any same-sex couples who struggle with this, meaning “fighting with an abusive lover.” Arguing can be a healthy part of a relationship. Having to fight with an abusive lover… something different.
You know, I don’t remember how I found those “10 reasons.” Take care!
Bridgeout it is not a mistake you found those 10 reasons. God is wanting to draw you to himself and set you free from the Lesbian Life Style.
Galatians 2:20, I am confused. You say to bridgeout that if she is a Christian and gay she is in sin, and yet you say either way you will see her in Heaven. Are you saying that people can live in sin and still go to Heaven?
thanks,
inmission
Hello, everyone.
I am an ex-gay. I have known God since I was 8. But I did not have peace until I completely surrendered my gay lifestyle up and made the decision to live following after Christ and His Spirit. He has given me perfect peace and is working in my life daily to grow and mature and to be all that He created me to be.
All I am going to add in comment here is to copy what Anita so excellently expressed in another comment to another post when this type of theme came up on this blog…
“Whenever anyone suggests that salvation is so fragile as to be lost over being gay, even if being gay were a sin (not!), then I’d suggest that person has never really understood that salvation fully rests in the grace of God and that our works or virtue have nothing to do with our standing before God. If they want to argue about it being immoral or unnatural, then okay, let’s go with that, but if they want to argue that ones salvation hinges on a particular sexual orientation, then we need to be talking about what salvation really is and how justification comes to us.“
InMission: Yes, I am saying that. If you are saved – you are saved. I believe in Eternal Security. If you are saved and in sin – you are in sin and saved and God might even take you home for being unfruitful. See 1 Cor 15 and I think it is verse 5. He is saved “as if by fire”. And I believe the sin he was in was sexual sin. To go with the opposing view would be to say that all of those Christians sitting on the pews each week eat up with unforgiveness, covetousness, or even pride are not saved. At some point the HS will work the sin out of you. And if you continue without consequences – one would have to question if you are really saved at all. One of Johns epistles speaks to this very thing – “they went out from us’ etc. I think it is the 1st epistle.
InMission: It is 1 Cor 5 – not 15, sorry