Yesterday marked the arrival of my semi-annual condemnation email from my ex-husband regarding my “lesbian lifestyle” with his subsequent judgment pronouncements–as well as his calling into question my actual salvation. These emails usually follow an interchange where he and I did not agree on how to co-parent our son… meaning I did not acquiesce and “submit” to what he thought should be done in a particular situation… I did not come under his “authority.” When that happens, I end up getting an email like yesterday’s:
Quote: As can be quickly shown by the history, and spiritual roots, of the lesbian/feminist movement, lesbianism it is not just about hatred toward men (and rebellion against paternal authority) but an embrace of a feminist deity that simply isn’t in the Bible. If you are not a lesbian, (as we know, God did not create any) then please, get out of the ungodly relationship you’re in and repent (have a change of mind, heart, and behavior). There is now plenty of godly, loving recovery help available.
Every vehicle you’ve driven has been “tagged” by a lesbian sticker — the blue and yellow “=” sign for equal rights for homosexuals. The “Love Makes a Family” bumper sticker, as you know, is promoting a homosexual activist organization that tramples on God’s word, and quite frankly, simply gives God “the finger.” Their website features photos of “joyous” men-with-men, women-with-women, and “their” children — which far from promoting true love and true families; rather, it promotes a lie of deception.
All of this is exceedingly grievous, and continues to press on my heart. I don’t “hate” you, or any homosexual for that matter, but you of all people should know the truth…
It is at cross-purposes to be a spirit-filled, professing believer in Christ Jesus our Lord, who bought us with his precious blood, AND remain in a relationship that is contrary to everything for which Jesus died. It’s oil and water, fire and ice, darkness and light, day and night. Given your circumstance, then, the only true hope you can give people therefore, is a humanistic one, based on man’s wisdom, and principles of “equality.” This is not being mean-spirited, but speaking the truth.
Can “GLBTs” share “true love” between themselves and their “children”? Sure, our bodies and even spirits can give and receive love in many forms, regardless of one’s faith. But GLBT activism is a “love” outside of God’s design. Therefore, it is counterfeit at best.
Furthermore, GLBTs can’t make their own “families” because it is outside the created order of things. The “hope” that organizations such as “Love Makes a Family” provide is artificial because it rebels against the created order, and against God’s true love, which is God himself. In other words, lesbianism and homosexuality separate mankind from its Creator, Lord, and Savior. The scary flip side of that, is that spiritually speaking, GLBT “equality” is a doctrine from it’s originator, which is Satan.
So, while I acknowledge my own sin, which desires to speak angrily instead of lovingly, I pray you will not feel attacked but exhorted by this letter, which is long overdue. God’s word says to “be angry, and sin not.” So, certain things are clearly worthy of being angry about. While we may be frustrated at times with each other, the target of my frustration is not you, but the spiritual forces that have bound you to things and places that God did not appoint for you.
God is patient, loving, and kind with all of us, and desires that his mercies, which are new every morning, will be used by us to bring us to repentance. But at some point, this door of opportunity closes for everyone who is outside the fold:
“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet” (Romans 1:26-27).
The signs of the times increasingly point that we are living in the “last days” prior to Christ’s return. With this in mind, these words should also cause us to examine ourselves:
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, …” (1 Cor 6:9-10).
That’s the bad news. But here’s the good news:
“And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient… shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid” (1 Cor 6:12,15).
And the exhortation:
“Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? …” (1 Cor 6:18-20).
This letter is far from perfect, and in spite of editing it all morning, likely still contains elements of my own flesh, but please understand that I’m not standing in judgment of you — that’s God’s job. I’m simply attempting to speak the truth in love, and to communicate urgency with regard to spiritual matters. These verses are as much a reminder to me, and to all believers, that we must “choose this day whom you will serve” and to “redeem the time, for the days are evil.” End quote.
In years past an email like this one sent me reeling for days (or longer) with fear and doubt. Therefore, his emails usually accomplished his goal–which was for me to cower in unworthiness and give in to whatever he was usurping from me.
Thank God I am no longer that woman!
Now, not only do I recognize his efforts to usurp from me and to make me cower as emotional and psychological abuse, but I recognize his efforts to undermine my faith and salvation as spiritual abuse. In addition to that education, I now thankfully have read other gay Christian’s thoroughly studied and researched writings on these tiny portions of scripture that my ex-husband uses (and many others who argue what they have been told the “Bible says about homosexuality”) to clobber me with.
I only wish my ex-husband had ears to hear and a humble spirit to receive rebuttal information! Since neither is true of him, I will share here.
First of all, who says that lesbianism is about “hatred of men” and “rebellion against paternal authority”? (In the past he told me lesbianism was because of an inadequate relationship with the mother–so which are you going to blame… father or mother?). What is this about the “feminine deity” and his assertion that “we know that God did not create any lesbians”? He has always wanted me to get out of my “ungodly relationship”–if I were his current wife I would be a little taken aback by how preoccupied he is with this. And yes, I have heard about some of the “godly loving recovery help.”
Secondly, I highly doubt that the HRC and “Love makes a family” are trying to “give God the finger” with their advocacy and stickers. He doesn’t hate homosexuals, he just wants them to know the truth? Reminds me of that line from A Few Good Men: “you can’t handle the truth!” Who said that his take on what other men have said about God’s words is “the truth”?
Thirdly, it is arrogant to relegate the love that GLBT individuals share between themselves and their children to being “counterfeit.” Then there is having the children without intercourse makes it “outside the natural order of things” argument. That one totally overlooks all the ways that infertile heterosexual couples utilize to have children and make families. It also invalidates marriages that choose not to have children at all. That is a widely debunked fallacy. He also stated that “equality doctrine” is from Satan. Again, no surprise, I disagree.
He then retreats behind the widely used Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6 passages to “prove” what he believes about homosexuality and to assert that I am “out of the fold” (the questioning of my salvation).
One of the most comforting and educational sources for debunking the misinterpretation and misuse of “proof texts” has been Grace Unfolding Ministries/SisterFriends Together. Here is some of what Anita (ordained minister and author at SisterFriends Together) reveals about these “clobber passages.”
Regarding Romans 1: “I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve received emails from strangers who upon finding this ministry online have included a cut and paste of Romans 1:26-27 in the body of the email, as if that’s all they need to say to prove their view that the Bible condemns homosexuality”… (read the important content here).
Regarding 1 Corinthians 6: “With so much uncertainty surrounding these words it’s of painful concern that it’s been used by some within the church with absolute rigidity to condemn gays and lesbians”… (read the important content here).
He closes with the disingenuous and inflammatory “I’m not standing in judgment of you–but you can be sure GOD is!” I have to admit that I found humor in the fact that he spent all morning at work writing and editing this email to me (even though he works for a conservative Christian company). I will likely not even reply to this email. What is the point? I’ll let the blood of Jesus speak for me.
“I can’t deny I’m lost in sin
I could plead my own case but I would not win.
The only hope I see are the stains of Calvary,
So I’ll let the blood speak for me!The blood says I am whole…
The blood says I am clean…
All is forgiven, I’ve been set free!
So let the blood…
Let the blood speak for me.”
So, can I be gay and still really be Christian? Yes! No matter what he says.




















Wendy,
You sound like you’re in a really amazing place to be able to see his email so clearly point for point and be able to deal with it as you have. I also can’t help but think no matter how outrageous it all sounds and from how far outfield it all is it must still be wearing on you. So should we be grateful they’re only semi-annual rather than bi-monthly?
Here’s the only thing I’m going to add. Whenever anyone suggests that salvation is so fragile as to be lost over being gay, even if being gay were a sin (not!), then I’d suggest that person has never really understood that salvation fully rests in the grace of God and that our works or virtue have nothing to do with our standing before God. If they want to argue about it being immoral or unnatural, then okay, let’s go with that, but if they want to argue that ones salvation hinges on a particular sexual orientation, then we need to be talking about what salvation really is and how justification comes to us.
Great post Wendy. Stay strong Girl!
Hi Anita! Well, it has taken me nearly a decade to get to the place I am in now. I remember my pastor rhetorically asking me last year when an email like this arrived: “why do you allow his words to hurt you?” Abusive and controlling people know just how to push our buttons!
But you are also right, it can be wearing on a gal! Thankfully I get perspective much more quickly. And having been out from under his “headship” for almost a decade, I have gotten to see much more of the “truth” apart from his take on things.
I REALLY appreciate what you said about salvation by grace alone! That is a keeper!
Wendy, All I can say is, “you go girl!” And when it gets wearing, then go to your friends in Christ, either straight or gay, and bask in the warmth and comfort you find.
Okay I was going to try to be as understanding and God like as you and Anita, but here is the comment I can’t refrain from making. My neighbor had a jackass and every day at least once it went into this fit of braying that drove me crazy. I came to realize that all asses like the sound of their own voice. Even if they never say anything true or real.
How many times has your ex dropped himself
on his head?
Is he really that jealous because you found
someone who takes better care of you and who
loves you because you are you.
Dang, he needs to get a life. Or get laid. OOPS!
Did that come out written? Oh well!
(yeah, you read that top part right. You know
me I just comes out)
HUGS!!!!!
Hello Wendy:
Yes, you can be a lesbian and be anything you want to be. God created us all as human beings and it is our choice to decide who we want to be. He does not care, as far as we know we are all still breathing. God is life and he does not withhold it from anyone. You being who you want to be does not prevent anyone from being who they want to be. Religion is a very private thing and it is one of those things that people often use to coerce, manipulate and lay guilt on others for their own gain whether they are aware of it or not.
In regards to your husband, I can tell you that he is speaking from his own pride but that is a very tough thing to admit so God is a very good tool to use because no one can go and ask God for his take on everything he gets blamed for. I can understand how he is hurt and feels betrayed. But this is what he chose for himself. If he would forgive the whole thing and just let you be who you are, he would find the peace that he needs in his heart. All you can do is be who you are, forgive, ignore and pray that someday he understands that you are not preventing him from moving on with his life and find the happiness he needs.
Take care,
Mayra
I will always love (in the most wry way possible!) how much time folks spend deciding what God wants, means and thinks…while at the same time swearing up and down that only God knows all. I had to stop trying to figure them out because it was becoming more and more difficult to get my eyes to return to normal after they rolled completely to the back of my head!
For whatever it’s worth, I think the e-mail condemning you and all such productions are vile and despicable. You are who you are.
But please. You’re on the wrong side of the Bible. The Old Testament wants you stoned to death; the New Testament (”Saint” Paul) agrees.
I would invite you to see that clearly and take it as an opportunity to step back and ask, in candor, whether the Bible and the Bible’s god character have anything to offer. Clearly the writers of the Bible didn’t have a very good idea of how the world actually fits together. I would suggest the answer is no — that the Bible is a dead end, a storehouse of ancient prejudices and folklore, including, but not limited to, anti-gay prejudices.
You are fine as you are. You love as you love. You don’t need Santa Claus, you don’t need any bigoted dead “saints,” you don’t need your asshole of an ex-husband, and you don’t need the Bible any more than a fish needs a bike.
-Dale
Wendy-
YOU GO!
Wow, good for you.
“But GLBT activism is a “love” outside of God’s design.” Huh?
I had someone with the last few weeks say “Homosexuality is a satanic love.”
Hm. Statements like this are just a huge contradiction within themselves.
Love is love.
I’m so glad you are where you are with all this, others will find it encouraging, as I have.
Blessings girl! YOU ROCK!
i would strongly recommend you send him this:
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible
wvhillcountry: Thank you for your sincere comment AND this funny but true comment: “…all asses like the sound of their own voice. Even if they never say anything true or real.” Love it!
Laurie: LOL! Seems like a lot of times he has dropped himself! And my partner says that second part all the time (that he is just jealous…). {HUGS}!!!
Mayra: Beautiful comment that resonates a great deal with me! I actually did take a moment and pray “I choose to forgive him” and then did the “bless those who curse you” thing. You are dead on with the “pride” issue with him!! Do you know him? Just kidding. Thank you again Mayra!
Oregonian37: I think I am getting so much closer to just coming to that place of peace and knowing that what people think… that is about them… and they don’t speak for God! LOL with the eyes rolling back in your head!
Dale: Thank you for your very insightful thoughts on all of this. Very thought provoking!
Thank you SO much Stephanie! I take all that to heart! (you rock too!)
queerunity: I am going to go check that out! Thank you for the tip… PS- went and checked out the link: it looks excellent! Thank you so much!!!
I’m honestly surprised you put up w/ that man. I read just part of what he said, and people like that are impossible to talk with. Not to mention, quite uninteresting.
If God didn’t create any lesbians, than how does your EX account for the millions and millions that are on Earth right now? Did an Alien or Mystic cowboy create you instead? I thought God created everything. Debating points like this will never solve anything or change reality.
Go with your heart. Not judgments of man, manufactured understandings of what this or that passage of the Bible MIGHT have meant… makes life so miserable.
Keep on keepin on. You have my support, whatever that’s worth– some stranger on the internet.
I guess it depends what you mean by Christian. You can follow the teachings of Christ.
If you believe that being Christian means believing every word in the bible and taking it literally, then you have a problem with some passages if you are gay.
I guess the big problem with being gay and Christian is that so many Christians are small minded nasty people.
I read the parts of the bible I like and ignore the parts I don’t like. Believing it is all true and infallible is just weirdness.
I don’t see why you should care whether you are a real Christian or not. But then, I’m not you.
Hello Wendy – the short answer really is ‘no’ as there is a particular code of spiritual conduct required by devout followers of that particular religion. However, as someone else mentioned, there is nothing to stop you following Christ’s teachings as a personal rule of life.
Spiritual evolution in my belief means focusing on higher realms. Presumably why celibacy plays such an important part. It’s difficult to focus on earthbound love as well as the mystical divine kind.
All the best, Euphrosene
crallspace: Thank you for stopping by, and for your comment! It IS hard to deal with him, and thus far I have tried to keep the peace for the sake of my son. He is impossible to reason with–because HIS way is the RIGHT way. Once my son is grown, I can pretty much dismiss my EX. I will go with me heart! Thank you! (ps-stopped by your blog… cool!)
chris: Excellent thoughts! Thank you! I have learned not to care what he believes about what I know in my heart!
Hi Euphrosene, thank you for stopping by and weighing in! I enjoyed some of the artwork on your site.
I’ve been told I”m going to hell because I’m helping cats and not children. Also because I’m helping cats and not somewhere defusing landminds in countries where there are sitll landmines. I don’t understand the mentality of either of the men who have told me I’m going to hell, for these reasons. I think they’re nutcases. I would probably block your ex’s e-mail. That is really horrible to put up with. My father sounds a lot like your ex, although his rants were different. He too was a professed Christian, a racist, a homophobe, and a child molestor. He was very good, however, at pointing out who was going to hell and why. I wonder if he’s there now.
I wanted to add, I think my father would be very happy in hell, if hell exists. He liked hurting people. I think he would mistake hell for heaven and by this time, is probably in middle management at least, there in hell. I bet your ex, once he’s gone, will be competing for managerial positions in the brimstone with my father. They can condemn one another to beat the band, turn up the heat on one another, and be happy at last.
Hi J: Thank you for popping in and for your comments! It has always rubbed me the wrong way to hear various people say who is and who isn’t going to hell. How do they know? How is it they pick and choose which points in the Bible are one’s that send a person to hell?
RE: homosexuality? I got this today via email:
“It’s not so much what the Bible says as what we hear.” suggests Bishop B.-R. “The question is always one of interpretation. The Bible clearly tells us not to lend money with interest, but this is the heart of our modern day economy. The Bible never questions the institution of slavery, but we today find it repugnant. The real question is not ‘What does the Bible say …’ but ‘How do we faithfully engage modern day insights, opportunities and needs with the Word of God?’ ”
Hi keltic: That is just so sad… but I hear it so many times–that it is christians not acting Christ-like that turns people away from the whole ball of wax.
I look forward to your post you mention here!
Thanks to you for stopping by!
Robert and Jim… thank you for stopping by this post also!
Wendy,
what an awesome post. I’m fortunate that my ex doesn’t do this to me, but she has other strategies, so we each have our burdens to bear.
Lately, I’ve been dealing with all of the negative stuff associated with being a christian, and I’m thinking that I’d like to stop using that term regarding myself. Too many of the christians I know don’t act very christ-like. I’ll be writing a post later this evening about my experience with a Southern Baptist Minister who got very angry that I dared even reply to his blog.
Thanks for sharing your story with us.
keltic
All I know is, I am much happier and free since I repented of homosexuality. I know I am forgiven because I repented, that is a prerequisite.
You are free to reject what the Bible says about homosexuality, but are not free to say it does not say what it says.
If I can be a pot head and a fornicator and still be a Christian, then why not lesbians? Good for you, and perhaps point out some other Bible passages for your judgemental ex.
Examples: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.
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True Christianity is about love and acceptance, but not hate and anger.
Bridgeout,
Your ex says he’s trying to weed out the ‘flesh’ in what he says; but clearly, he can’t help speaking in anger. Equally, he obviously still loves you at some level and feels deeply wounded by your lifestyle choice and sexuality. So his words are both aggressive and vengeful, on the level of the anger, and an expression of concern about you, albeit misplaced.
While being extremely wary about dispensing well-meaning ‘advice’ about a situation and people I know so little about, I would say that what you need somehow to try and communicate to your ex is something of the meaning you express through the poem you quote: that you have chosen your present life in conscience and in faith before Christ; that you are aware that Jesus loves you and that you – along with your ex and everyone else – face his judgement in the last days; but that you contemplate that prospect in peace and humility, and not presumption, because you know that God himself has led you to the loving place in which you now find yourself, and have found yourself. And that, if your husband is genuinely concerned about your salvation, he should content himself to pray and make sacrifices in his own life, in trust that Our Lord will let neither you nor him down. After all, some Christians would condemn your husband (wrongly) as much for being in a ’second’ marriage as they would condemn you for your relationship choices. ‘Do not condemn the splinter in your neighbour’s eye before removing the plank in your own’.
Wow John… I am humbled and nearly speechless at your insight and humility with which you deliver your comment here. Amazing thoughtful reading between the lines of what was actually said, and the deeper meaning. Thank you! I know that at some point, I will have the chance to take advantage of this wisdom you have shared with me here. Sincerely… Wendy